VOIP real-time services from a GEO satellite will not be good. The speed on light travelling 22,300 miles & back to earth again to establish the connection; then data processing, routing, switching will mean a 1/2 second latency on VOIP calls.

Wow, this sounds really amazing.  Even if you only used half of the services provided, it seems like it would still be a money saver, and it would simplify a lot of complicated things.  Not to mention that UN / Non-Profit element, which i've never heard of before.  That sounds like a pretty great thing, good for them for finding a way to give a little back.

This sounds great, almost too good to be true.  Have they dicsovered how to break the laws of physics to reduce the delay from bouncing to and from a satellite?

The ShareWare Model will really help the Sentinelese tribal elders (indigenous people's somewhere in the jungles near the bay of Bengal) commune with the Gods of Wikipedia for guidance when head hunting ;)

It'll be a boon to the global economy for sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese

This scares me somewhat....   then you couldn't go to your cottage and just say "I don't have Internet Access".  Are we getting to wired (or wirelessed) in?

Alissa - I think you are right: the non-profit angle is way cool & if richer countries can afford the retail service, then they actually help 40 others people get connected. amazing.

Wayde - do you think third world governments will allow their citizens access? Hmmm ... can the SWANsat signal be stopped or forbidden?

The time delay is admittedly there. However, I have used satellite phones before, and I did not find the delay too inconvenient. I kept considering the cost of a regular land line vs the fact that I couldn't communicate without the satellite phone. The 1/2 second delay was not really noticeable, actually.

Consider the fact that these countries have NOTHING. They can't lay copper phone lines or power lines because bandits steal the cables. Nepal can't even communicate with some of its villages. Microwave won't work, there, either, due to the mountainous terrain. And the Philippine Islands, with 7,107 separate islands to link... it just can't be done without a satellite system.

And SWANsat is the only practical way to do it.

Yes, it's a big project. But it's also a big world, and the developing nations need and want it. The only ones who seem to be opposed are people like the self-styled satellite "expert" who appears to be working for our competitors. No wonder the UK fellow doesn't want SWANsat to succeed.

From: Charles Welty, Marketing Director, SWANsat Marketing
email: charles@myswanmail.com
URL: http://swansat.com

Charles Welty: Thanks for your views Mr Welty and for visiting our blog. I admire the significant project you've taken on. You're definitely "fighting the good fight" as it were.

Global... By the time this project is complete latency will be trimmed. We can't do anything about the speed of light (until we discover Sub-Space freq) but switching and processing will be significantly faster in 2012 than it is now. The reason is partly <a href="http://www.gizmocafe.com/blogs/gizmo_cafe_blog/archive/2006/09/18/97026.aspx"> Photonic micro-processors</a>

Katy: Maybe at first. But being the ever optimistic techno-utopian I see a future where computers themselves are as cheap as scrap paper is today. There will be nothing a despot government could do about its citizens communication with future "smart" Wiki's and learning about international law, rights and freedoms.

I see SwanSAT as a start and proof positive that such endeavors can be economically viable.

This is a bit of a tangent but ... you know how CB radio has channel 9 for the police? Perhaps a certain global-mobile network band will help illuminate basic human rights under international law. A sort of 911 for the oppressed.

However, I have no doubt the signal will be jammable.

Nice idea but what about all the EM pollution and this is going to add to the problem further. I guess i will be getting some kind of terminal illness sooner than I think... Darn

The newest technology for Cospas-Sarsat is the development of the 406 MHz emergency beacons that digitally transmit their identification and position in long message format. These beacons utilize either an external or internal electronic navigation receiver (e.g., Global Positioning System receiver) and can transmit their position down to 100 meter accuracy. This allows geo-stationary satellites to combine immediate alerts with precise locations. The polar orbiting satellites are also capable of receiving these signals, thereby providing global coverage. This feature reduces overall rescue time.

As a humanitarian search and rescue programme, Cospas-Sarsat has been in place for over 20 years. It has been providing critical assistance in terms of real/near-real time information support that helped in rescuing over 15,700 persons in nearly 5,000 SAR events from September 1982 to December 2002.

Countries or organizations may participate in the management and the operation of the system through their association with the Cospas-Sarsat programme. There are now 36 countries and organizations formally associated with Cospas-Sarsat programme, including the 4 parties to the international Cospas-Sarsat programme agreement (Canada, France, Russian Federation and the USA), which provide and operate the space segment system.

read more: http://www.unoosa.org/oosa/SAP/comm/index.html

The International EMF Project:

The Project is to assess health and environmental effects of exposure to static and time varying electric and magnetic fields in the frequency range 0-300 GHz.

read more: http://www.who.int/peh-emf/project/en/
download brochure: http://www.who.int/entity/peh-emf/about/emf_brochure_webversion.pdf

Actually roaming fees to Mars will be covered under the inter-solar-system package, an optional available fee that will be implemented by 2050. Mars colonists will be the targeted demographic, basically desperate third world farmer types who have already been SwanSAT customers for decades under the Shareware Model.

Barring the invention of "sub-space communications" pending research at the institute for quantum communications, the plan looks like a go.

I see the commentry regarding the health issues surrounding EMF pollution. I can only say that I feel that in the interest of big business ie the communications industry, there might never be an official report of the dangers of EMF. Why are diseases such as cancer more prevalent now as well as a whole range of other illnesses. The UN obviously has the interests of Governmental organisations at heart and this indirectly means big businesses. Just check and see how many businessmen there are on Capitol Hill. So it seem plausible that the UN won't necessarily find too much evidence against EMF. Unfortunately the masses don't get to know anything or don't want to in many cases. If you want to educate your self might I suggest reading something like Cross Currents by Dr Robert Becker

http://www.amazon.com/Cross-Currents-Robert-O-Becker/dp/0874776090
http://www.energyfields.org/science/becker.html

While there are enough people interested in promoting electromagnetic communications, there are also a large number of concerned citizens worrying about our health and wellbeing as a race. You be the judge.

Not to play devil's advocate here but ...

Aren't there at any time a potentially limiteless number of various frequencies / waves - whatever passing through us all the time. They're generated not just by terrestrial manmade sources but solar flairs, Earth's magnetic field, passing comets, communicating whales and untold sources emanating from new regions our solar system happens to find itself in this ever expanding universe?

I'm no expert but it seems that the limited bandwidth upon which we communicate is a fly fart in a blizzard compared to what's out there.

Wayde ... when you made the mars roaming fee joke, did you know that the Project Manager for NASA's Solar Mesosphere Explorer Mission and the Mars Observer Mission was Dr Jim Stuart, who is also playing a key role in the SWANsat project?

that is funny & ironic!

http://www.iostarcorp.com/IOSTARAboutUs.html (SWANsat's Prime Vendor)
http://www.rocketplane.com/en/investors/bod.asp (space tourist venture)

Here is a recent PPT presentation by Dr Stuart at the premier Space University program:

http://csmarts.colorado.edu/presentationpages/34_future_of_space/page_01.htm (intro-nav page)

http://csmarts.colorado.edu/presentationpages/34_future_of_space/Slide45.JPG (note slide 45 states POWER BEAMING & W-Band communication is part IOSTAR's corporate capabilities).  

Yes you are correct we are in an ocean of EMF from the universe. The problem is that the levels of natural radiation coming from space are just that... natural. Our bodies have lived relatively cancer free and healthy for thousands of years if not more in this environment. Perhaps sometimes these external sources are greater than normal and this may at times have a negative impact on the health of humans like any natural phenomenon might have such as a tsunami or hurricane. The problem is that the "limited bandwidth" that we generate are way above the natural norms and the types of signals we transmit are completely un natural and contain components that do harm our health and well being. It is defnitely a problem and we can try and pretend its not an issue for only so long.

Paul ... BUT let’s be really, really safe: let’s create a movement and a subsequent wristband that says “make wireless history” and petition anyone who will listen to us to: turn off all satellite, radio & TV transmitters, cell phones & wireless internet backhauls, wifi/wimax hotspots; ALL aircraft, shipping, emergency & defense wireless comms - and plunge us back into a time before the anti-Christ Marconi & his 'dangerous' shortwave/wireless radio experiment. Can we sue him, or his estate or the company that bears his name?

Trust me, its for your own good: it is to extend the days of your life. Then there is that other silly argument: average life expectancy is as high as it has ever been in history, especially in countries that use wireless technology extensively. (Note to self: could the conspiracy cabal argue that EMF is a factor that INCREASES life expectancy AND the quality of life???) Hmmm. We better have an answer for this – oh, that’s right, I’ve got it.

We’ll drag out an “inconvenient truth”: a death-bed patient. Have him/her hold a card: “Make Wireless History – before its too late".

Our MWH movement & our multi-Trillion dollar compensation fund (by suing the Father of EMF, Marconi) would pay for any economic loss sustained or potentially sustained due to the non-use of electromagnetic fields. BTW, every African could apply … even though they cannot access to & benefit from the 64 satellite transponders flooding them with un-natural electromagnetic waves due to restrictive national telecom policies - there is a chance that the situation could change in their ‘extended’ lifetimes. http://www.nextbillion.net/blogs/2006/09/25/petition-for-an-open-skies-policy

At any rate, to ensure that we are not seen as hypocrites, we couldn’t use or encourage wireless technology to make our point: the difficulties will enhance our puritan stance. No interviews on radio, no tv, no internet webites, news, blogs etc – we wouldn’t want to tempt anyone to use their blackberries & thus use wireless data.

Back to reality. The US Surgeon General doesn’t mention EMF.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site%3Awww.surgeongeneral.gov+emf&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site%3Awww.surgeongeneral.gov+electromagnetic+field&btnG=Search


Highest Brain Functions Handle Lowest Form of Wit (Intelligence Means Sarcasm) -  http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1409197/posts

Paul, you quote a near 7 year old interview & Dr Becker’s book on Amazon (hmm he wouldn’t be profiteering from EMF, would he?!). The customer reviews highly rate his book - although I saw no expert or peer read & review his book. Would you mind pointing us more recent, peer-reviewed (double blind) studies that confirm his view? In other words, are there collaborating experts in the electromagnetic, physics, radiation & spectrum experts that confirm Dr Becker’s work of nearly a decade ago?

Please understand, I understand your conspiracy angle, but I am finding it hard to believe that (a) 7 years and (b) no funding from any source and (c) no expert/s would step forward to blow the whistle on the (d) “the perils of electro-pollution”.

Paul, Dr Becker has a problem with modern life & anything that uses electricty.

The self-confessed sarcastic Tony comment above doesn't seem to go far enough. His campaign should be "Make Electricity History".

The Amazon Editorial Reviews, From Library Journal:

Becker ... reviews the potential dangers of electromagnetic fields from such sources as common household appliances, power lines, and computers--risks exhaustively exposed in Paul Brodeur's Currents of Death ( LJ 10/1/89).

- Judith Eannarino, George Washington Univ. Lib., Washington, D.C.
Copyright 1989 Reed Business Information, Inc.

My question is: where is the funding coming from? When I look at my savings account balance, $10 billion is alot of money. As they say "talk is cheap". If SWANsat really has the financial backing in place, they would mention it on their site, wouldn't they? With all the DOD personnel & contractors they list as parters, then my guess is that it has (or will) come from the $463.8 billion 2007 defence budget - or perhaps the modest USAID $10 billion 2007 budget.

I would just like to say that I am not a conspiracy theorist and don't believe in that kind of thing. Its just unfortunate that things that could be important get blanketed with the horrible term "conspiracy". It brings to mind all kinds of nonsense like aliens and government conspiracies. I just cited Becker as an example of the dangers of EMF. It seems to me like the members who don't post under any name seem to be very subtle in playing down the dangers. Why is it that few people want to accept the truth and the masses tend to allow themselves to be led down the garden path. I am not a physcologist, but I do know for a fact that there are linked cases of illness to EMF. Just like there are different ways to cure illnesses that the AMF is not liking too much. Fact- the world is run by money and big businesses and so are the academia. I experienced it first hand. Research is done based upon grants and those grants come from a variety of sources. Take for example different technologies that don't get researched instead of those that are favourable to the sponsors. For that reason we should not trust main stream science as much as we do because we are trusting the people who are pushing their line ie the sponsors. Mankind has been plagued by ignorance since forever. Remember when academic people said that flying is impossible and everyone believed it. I rest my case. Surely we are a more enlightened society especially with the Internet. Maybe not. When you are having your prostrate gland removed then tell me if your mind doesn't wonder what is causing all this stuff.

Paul, there's no conspiracy against you -- just a consensus against your view. The modern world has voted: modern life is worth the risk. To use you medical illustration  -- if you were given the choice of 'dangerous' surgery OR pain&death - at least YOU have the luxury of choice. Third world countries do not have an affordable, digital option. In a global 'knowledge economy' it is effectively a death sentence. I guess we are all hoping that this project might offer some hope: an afforable digital option delivered straight to the digital poor.

I understand why there would be a consensus but why can't this issue just be publicly proclaimed in the media. Then let the public make up there mind. Why must it always be talked away. I mean if something is dangerous and we can't live without it, because I myself rely heavily on wireless technology anyways, why not at least allow it to be publicly proclaimed. This is not a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories need to be distinguished from fact. The fact of the matter is that it is obviously a sensitive issue as one can see from following the posts above. Lets have public debate on it.

WikiPedia has a pretty good article on all this stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_radiation_and_health

Paul, you said "You be the Judge" & "I rely heavily on wireless". You know the 'facts' (?). You have raised the issue 4 times here (yawn). At the end of the day you 'judge' wireless technologies an acceptable risk (sigh). Thanks for your 2 cents. There's no need to respond further.

Tony thanks for 2 cents as well

Reading through this discussion thread shows how people with vested financial interests in technologies are willing to allow themselves to become brainwashed to accepting things and not willing to view the alternatives. At the same time others allow themselves to be brainwashed. Very sad if you ask me especially if we are to really progress

Let's progress through communication.
Not communicate to stop progress.

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