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Myths in HDTV: EDTV Disguised as HDTV

It's an age old misunderstanding that even yours truly has even been susceptible to. EDTV disguised as HDTV – or is it? This article has been edited to set the record straight and help in the understanding of digital TV resolution and aspect ratio.

 

The ad below was taken from a flier of a major electronics chain. The ad shows a display resolution of 1024x768 being sold as HDTV.

 

1024 x 768 falls well short of 1280 x 1024 resolution, a generally excepted 720P resolution.  This doesn’t sound possible.

 

Chris from Big Picture Sound points out that digital displays with a 1024 x 768 resolution can still technically be considered HDTV.

 

How is this possible? HDTV must produce an aspect ratio of 16:9 (16 pixels wide for nine pixels high). The math just doesn’t add up! You’re losing some 256 lines of resolution.

 

If all the pixels in a digital display (as they are in a PC monitor) were round or equally proportioned - the set advertised in the banner could not be widescreen with a 1024 horizontal resolution. You would indeed be getting short changed 256 lines of horizontal resolution.

 

The 4:3 aspect ratio is that of Standard Definition TV. Broadcast HDTV will not fit into that screen and DVD movies marked ‘widescreen’ will have to be corrected with those annoying black bars. 

    

It might fit the definition of EDTV, televisions with enhanced resolution that don’t fit the standards outlined for HDTV. You can sometimes get these sets at a discount, making its price attractive to consumers who might be in the market for a new TV but necessarily married to the idea of an HDTV.

 

But make no mistake you can get 1024x764 to present widescreen. As Chris points out they do it with rectangular (long) pixels which is quite common for Plasma in the 42" range.

 

Personally, I'd feel short changed buying a set with less than the standard widescreen 1280 horizontal pixels. But you have to trust your eyes when looking at the quality of the image – don’t simply rely on the numbers.

Published Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:46 by Wayde
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Wilson J. Picket said:

I saw that same ad talked about on HDBeat long time ago. I think it was a mistake, the store is Best Buy but that's obvious from that gross yellow price logo they use.

July 31, 2007 11:43
 

Chris said:

A 1024x768 plasma HDTV is, in fact, widescreen (16:9) and it is, in fact, an HDTV, as defined by the Consumer Electronics Association.  I know it may seem odd that a 1024x768 TV could be widescreen but it is.  Ya know how?  Rectangular (not square) pixels.  

The CES defined an HDTV with the following guidelines:

* Must be able to receive ATSC terrestrial digital transmissions and decode all ATSC Table 3 video formats

* Display vertical scanning lines of 720 progressive (720p), 1080 interlaced (1080i), or higher

* Display an image in a 16:9 (width:height) aspect ratio

* Receive, reproduce, and/or output Dolby Digital audio

The HDTV you so vociferously malign above meets all of these criteria.  In fact, 1024x768 is the most common resolution of widescreen 42-inch plasma HDTV sets, made by Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Fujitsu, Vizio and many many others.  To date, only Panasonic has come out with a 42-inch plasma set with full 1080p resolution.  

In the 50-inch plasma size, the sets use square pixels, and are either 1366X768 or 1920x1080 in native resolution.  

You might want to do a little more research before posting inflammatory articles such as this in the future.

July 31, 2007 4:28 PM
 

HomeTheaterSystemsWeb.Com » Blog Archive » (Home theater receiver) Using Your DVD Home Theater System (home theater video projector) said:

July 31, 2007 11:01 PM
 

Wayde said:

Thanks for that Chris. And he’s right.

Magnavox themselves call this an EDTV.

http://www.magnavox.com/index.cfm?event=main&cat_id=1&subcat_id=3&product=72

These resolution standards for digital TV are set by SMPTE a trade org that has no regulatory power like the atsc. The ATSC is the government regulatory body that will accept the standards or not. ATSC website has all the information you need on what’s accepted and what’s not.

Document describing ATSC standards for HD, and DTV are here http://www.atsc.org/standards.html

This seems to say ATSC the ONLY requirement for (720P) HDTV is in its vertical resolution requirements for 720p. Shockingly! 1024x768 actually meets the requirement.

You can argue about resolution and number of pixels you’re being short changed. But the long and short of it is that I was wrong. Technically a 1024x768 display can be HDTV. It’s not uncommon for plasma to make sets with square pixels to Plasma sets to give them the widescreen effect. Interesting.

August 1, 2007 8:27
 

Chris said:

Well, not to be a further pain in the ass...  OK, well actually I will be a further pain in the ass.  The Magnavox set you're linking to in the comment above is actually an EDTV (42MF7000/17), with a native resolution of 852x480 pixels.  

The TV in the ad and in the original article (42MF230A) is an HDTV and is referred to as such by Magnavox.  It's too old to have a link on the Magnavox web site (discontinued in 2006), but the specs/description are still up on shopping.com:

http://www.shopping.com/xPF-Philips-42MF230A-37

The replacement model is the 42MF231, and it's here:

http://www.magnavox.com/index.cfm?event=main&cat_id=1&subcat_id=5&product=107

Regards,

-Chris    

August 1, 2007 12:28 PM
 

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Wayde’s super power is fixing electronics by smacking them. Fixing his way through college he repaired TVs - monitors, stereos and even a pinball machine. He was finally defeated by arch nemesis - Planned Obsolescence in issue #280 and now enjoys super-hero retirement as an editor and gadget blogger.